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När man talar om tyska jaktplan under ww2 är det nästan bara ME109 som kommer upp, men hur stor betydelse hade Focke Wulf190?
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Kommentar-Focke Wulf kommer realtivt sent i kriget. 1941 och volymerna senare så därav aldrig några referenser i Slaget om Storbritannien. FockeWulfen var ett bättre flygtyg än ME109E och troligen också de senare versionerna ME109G. ME109 har dock en ett speciellt utseende, en tuff syrsa eller gräshoppa och så stred den 1940 under Slaget om Storbritannien därav mer uppmärksamhet hos allmänheten. Me109 fanns dock till slutet av kriget. Ytterligare ett exempel på tyskarnas förkärlek att ta fram för många olika modeller |
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RE: Focke Wulf 190 |
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Karoliner1 skrev:
Kommentar-Focke Wulf kommer realtivt sent i kriget. 1941 och volymerna senare så därav aldrig några referenser i Slaget om Storbritannien. FockeWulfen var ett bättre flygtyg än ME109E och troligen också de senare versionerna ME109G. ME109 har dock en ett speciellt utseende, en tuff syrsa eller gräshoppa och så stred den 1940 under Slaget om Storbritannien därav mer uppmärksamhet hos allmänheten. Me109 fanns dock till slutet av kriget. Ytterligare ett exempel på tyskarnas förkärlek att ta fram för många olika modeller
The FW190 was so good that in 1942 the British had to suspend most of their air operations over France till they got their new Spit XIV. |
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Johan Lupander
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Fred skrev:
Karoliner1 skrev:
Kommentar-Focke Wulf kommer realtivt sent i kriget. 1941 och volymerna senare så därav aldrig några referenser i Slaget om Storbritannien. FockeWulfen var ett bättre flygtyg än ME109E och troligen också de senare versionerna ME109G. ME109 har dock en ett speciellt utseende, en tuff syrsa eller gräshoppa och så stred den 1940 under Slaget om Storbritannien därav mer uppmärksamhet hos allmänheten. Me109 fanns dock till slutet av kriget. Ytterligare ett exempel på tyskarnas förkärlek att ta fram för många olika modeller
The FW190 was so good that in 1942 the British had to suspend most of their air operations over France till they got their new Spit XIV.
The ascendancy of the Fw-190A over the Spit Mk.V from late 1941 to mid-1942 is a good example of technology influencing (if not dominating) operations. The Mk.IX, which was really only an up-engined Mk.V, reduced the problem but didn't, according to William Green, eliminate it. The first Griffon-engined Spitfire version, Mk.XII, was even better. However, when the superior Mk.XIV came around in early 1944 it had to contend with the excellent Fw-190D-9. So it was really a continous tug-of-war technologically - eventually decided by pilot quality!
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RE: Focke Wulf 190 |
Fred
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Johan Lupander skrev:
Fred skrev:
Karoliner1 skrev:
Kommentar-Focke Wulf kommer realtivt sent i kriget. 1941 och volymerna senare så därav aldrig några referenser i Slaget om Storbritannien. FockeWulfen var ett bättre flygtyg än ME109E och troligen också de senare versionerna ME109G. ME109 har dock en ett speciellt utseende, en tuff syrsa eller gräshoppa och så stred den 1940 under Slaget om Storbritannien därav mer uppmärksamhet hos allmänheten. Me109 fanns dock till slutet av kriget. Ytterligare ett exempel på tyskarnas förkärlek att ta fram för många olika modeller
The FW190 was so good that in 1942 the British had to suspend most of their air operations over France till they got their new Spit XIV.
The ascendancy of the Fw-190A over the Spit Mk.V from late 1941 to mid-1942 is a good example of technology influencing (if not dominating) operations. The Mk.IX, which was really only an up-engined Mk.V, reduced the problem but didn't, according to William Green, eliminate it. The first Griffon-engined Spitfire version, Mk.XII, was even better. However, when the superior Mk.XIV came around in early 1944 it had to contend with the excellent Fw-190D-9. So it was really a continous tug-of-war technologically - eventually decided by pilot quality!
Sorry, Johan - I meant of course the Spit mk. IX...which came into service Fall '42....
A little diversion - Hobby Master is bringing out the Spitfire Mk. I - in 1/48 scale...!!!
You can always mail me for a good offer - on any model: flhtrading@hotmail.com
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RE: Focke Wulf 190 |
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Johan Lupander skrev:
However, when the superior Mk.XIV came around in early 1944 it had to contend with the excellent Fw-190D-9. So it was really a continous tug-of-war technologically - eventually decided by pilot quality!
But didn't the Fw-190D-9 enter the scene much later (autumn) in 1944? The Mk.XIV would have had the edge during the first half of 1944 atleast.
Though you have to factor in that the Luftwaffe was decimated at this time and the sheer number of the Allied air forces weighed up for some of the technical disadvantages they might have had.
Besides, having read different books about the air war over Europe, I feel that sometimes flak was a bigger (and more terrifying) threat than Luftwaffe fighter planes, during 1944 and 1945.
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Johan Lupander
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Adam skrev:
Johan Lupander skrev:
However, when the superior Mk.XIV came around in early 1944 it had to contend with the excellent Fw-190D-9. So it was really a continous tug-of-war technologically - eventually decided by pilot quality!
But didn't the Fw-190D-9 enter the scene much later (autumn) in 1944? The Mk.XIV would have had the edge during the first half of 1944 at least.
The Fw-190D-9 entered service with JG3 in the winter of 1943/44. Small quantities of the pre-production versions D-0 and -1 had been service tested already the previous summer.
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RE: Focke Wulf 190 |
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Johan Lupander skrev:
Adam skrev:
Johan Lupander skrev:
However, when the superior Mk.XIV came around in early 1944 it had to contend with the excellent Fw-190D-9. So it was really a continous tug-of-war technologically - eventually decided by pilot quality!
But didn't the Fw-190D-9 enter the scene much later (autumn) in 1944? The Mk.XIV would have had the edge during the first half of 1944 at least.
The Fw-190D-9 entered service with JG3 in the winter of 1943/44. Small quantities of the pre-production versions D-0 and -1 had been service tested already the previous summer.
By 25 September 1944, III./JG 54 had re-equipped with the Fw 190 D-9, becoming the first operational Gruppe of the Luftwaffe to receive the new type. On 28 September Robert “Bazzi” Weiss shot down a Spitfire reconnaissance aircraft of the RAF`s 541 Squadron. The first confirmed victory of the Fw 190D-9. |
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The Fw-190D-9 entered service with JG3 in the winter of 1943/44. Small quantities of the pre-production versions D-0 and -1 had been service tested already the previous summer.
By 25 September 1944, III./JG 54 had re-equipped with the Fw 190 D-9, becoming the first operational Gruppe of the Luftwaffe to receive the new type. On 28 September Robert “Bazzi” Weiss shot down a Spitfire reconnaissance aircraft of the RAF`s 541 Squadron. The first confirmed victory of the Fw 190D-9.
Jag utgår från William Greens "War Planes of WW2, Fighter, Vol one", som även anger att de första provflygplanen för vad som skulle bli "Dora" (ombyggda A-prototyper) flög redan kring årsskiftet 1941/42. Men det kan ju vara fel!
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